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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: evo1986 on 24 January 2024, 20:58
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New Golf: celebrating 50 years in style
VW0129-2424 JAN 2024Last Updated 11 hours ago
Just more than 37 million units after the first model rolled off the production line, 2024 marks the 50th anniversary of the legendary Golf. And, to celebrate, we’re revealing the new Golf.
An evolution of the popular Golf 8, the main focus of updates are a redesigned interior, an improved infotainment system and various enhancements to the drivetrains on offer.
The new Golf Estate will launch at the same time as the Hatch, with the same specification upgrades.
Exterior
A new face has been given to the new Golf, consisting of new bumpers, redesigned LED headlights with a horizontal LED strip in the grille and – for the first time on a Volkswagen in the European market region – an illuminated front Volkswagen badge.
New Golf also gets a refreshed rear bumper, redesigned taillights with IQ.LIGHT (which features customisable ‘welcome’ and ‘goodbye’ effects), new alloy wheel designs, and a revised selection of exterior paints.
Interior
The updated interior now has the newly-developed MIB4 infotainment system (which will also be on the new Passat and Tiguan), with a free-standing touchscreen of up to 12.9-inches. A faster processor powers the new system, and features illuminated touch sliders for temperature and volume control.
An enhanced multi-function steering wheel can be found with physical buttons as well as the ChatGPT-enabled IDA voice assistant.
Digital Cockpit Pro can be customised to display ‘classic’ round instruments or ‘progressive’ display tiles, with space in between that can be customised with a number of functions – such as navigation route guidance or assist systems. There will also be model-specific profiles for R-Line, GTE and GTI.
Both Golf Hatch and Estate versions will have the latest versions of Park Assist Plus and Park Assist Pro, as well as the option of a 360-degree Area View.
Drivetrains
Big improvements have been made to the PHEV models of Golf, now featuring a 62-mile (100-kilometre) range on the battery alone, bringing the combined range to 621 miles (1,000 kilometres). Carrying over to the new Golf is the range of eTSI engine, which features the highly-efficient 48-volt system.
Power outputs have increased on the 2.0 TSI engine to 204PS, an increase of 14PS, and Golf GTI has a power hike up to 265PS, a rise of 20PS when compared to the outgoing GTI.
New Golf will launch with TSI (petrol), TDI (diesel), eTSI and plug hybrid eHybrid and GTE variants during the launch phase, with GTI Clubsport and R models due in the second half of 2024.
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There is a comma missing isn't there...
"GTI Clubsport and R models"
Gti, clubsport and R...
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Initial high level mk8.5 marketing blurb is now on VW UK website;
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/new/the-new-golf.html
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New Golf: celebrating 50 years in style
VW0129-2424 JAN 2024Last Updated 11 hours ago
Just more than 37 million units after the first model rolled off the production line, 2024 marks the 50th anniversary of the legendary Golf. And, to celebrate, we’re revealing the new Golf.
An evolution of the popular Golf 8, the main focus of updates are a redesigned interior, an improved infotainment system and various enhancements to the drivetrains on offer.
The new Golf Estate will launch at the same time as the Hatch, with the same specification upgrades.
Exterior
A new face has been given to the new Golf, consisting of new bumpers, redesigned LED headlights with a horizontal LED strip in the grille and – for the first time on a Volkswagen in the European market region – an illuminated front Volkswagen badge.
New Golf also gets a refreshed rear bumper, redesigned taillights with IQ.LIGHT (which features customisable ‘welcome’ and ‘goodbye’ effects), new alloy wheel designs, and a revised selection of exterior paints.
Interior
The updated interior now has the newly-developed MIB4 infotainment system (which will also be on the new Passat and Tiguan), with a free-standing touchscreen of up to 12.9-inches. A faster processor powers the new system, and features illuminated touch sliders for temperature and volume control.
An enhanced multi-function steering wheel can be found with physical buttons as well as the ChatGPT-enabled IDA voice assistant.
Digital Cockpit Pro can be customised to display ‘classic’ round instruments or ‘progressive’ display tiles, with space in between that can be customised with a number of functions – such as navigation route guidance or assist systems. There will also be model-specific profiles for R-Line, GTE and GTI.
Both Golf Hatch and Estate versions will have the latest versions of Park Assist Plus and Park Assist Pro, as well as the option of a 360-degree Area View.
Drivetrains
Big improvements have been made to the PHEV models of Golf, now featuring a 62-mile (100-kilometre) range on the battery alone, bringing the combined range to 621 miles (1,000 kilometres). Carrying over to the new Golf is the range of eTSI engine, which features the highly-efficient 48-volt system.
Power outputs have increased on the 2.0 TSI engine to 204PS, an increase of 14PS, and Golf GTI has a power hike up to 265PS, a rise of 20PS when compared to the outgoing GTI.
New Golf will launch with TSI (petrol), TDI (diesel), eTSI and plug hybrid eHybrid and GTE variants during the launch phase, with GTI Clubsport and R models due in the second half of 2024.
What's your opinions on the new agency selling model one price every dealer no discounts?
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Evo... My opinion is it's bad for dealers and bad for consumers. It's the most brutal margin grab I've ever seen.
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Evo... My opinion is it's bad for dealers and bad for consumers. It's the most brutal margin grab I've ever seen.
Given the contract imagine is with VW themselves, and dealer is literally a shelf to collect your package from, what think is the effect on after sales from the dealer? Does this change the servicing and warranty arrangement with VW anyway also? Imagining it does not, but not certain?
Also, what does this do to all the online car discount sites, like Car Wow, does it kill them?
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Evo... My opinion is it's bad for dealers and bad for consumers. It's the most brutal margin grab I've ever seen.
Could not agree more!
VW win, dealer wins customer pays more and gets even worse service than the current dealer network (and that is bad enough now at most dealers)
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Evo... My opinion is it's bad for dealers and bad for consumers. It's the most brutal margin grab I've ever seen.
Could not agree more!
VW win, dealer wins customer pays more and gets even worse service than the current dealer network (and that is bad enough now at most dealers)
I’ll either be keeping my current car or if I do decide to change, I’ll be looking at car manufacturers who aren’t planning on adopting the agency model (primarily Japanese or Korean brands at present). If I do change, my next car is unlikely to be a performance hatch; I rarely get to use my current Polo GTI+’s full potential and I only drive around 4.5k miles a year, so I’d be prepared to make the sacrifice and drive something that isn’t a hot hatch.
I’ve had 22 years of VW’s so I’d actually quite look forward to trying something different. So VW would lose a loyal, long standing customer, and I dare say I wouldn’t be the only one.
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So VW would lose a loyal, long standing customer, and I dare say I wouldn’t be the only one.
You certainly won't be!
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So VW would lose a loyal, long standing customer, and I dare say I wouldn’t be the only one.
You certainly won't be!
Nope no more VW for me. The hot hatch I'd want is not affordable to me any more and agency or not, after the way this one has gone I'm in not buying any more VAG stuff. The level of denial and outright lies about the issues with the mk8 has been appalling.
It's almost like they couldn't have tried harder the last 3 years to make their brand less attractive to me.
Next car will be something else entirely. It literally couldn't be any worse.... and then they pull this agency rubbish.
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Bet he wished he hadn't started the 8.5 promotion thread now! :grin:
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Evo... What sort of profit did a dealer have on a golf before? You know the numbers... And how much is the agency commission price going to be?
From your perspective, what does this mean to franchised dealerships?
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That’s it MK8 completely closed for ordering…..
Facelift due to be open for ordering Mid-April onwards….
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……..End of an Era… :grin: :grin:
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……..End of an Era… :grin: :grin:
Maybe VW will breathe a sigh of relief and put the mk8 software gremlins behind them……….. :whistle:
Hopefully, lessons learned and here’s hoping the facelift car will be gremlin-free.
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Noticed there are a few unregistered Mk8 GTIs and especially Rs sitting behind my local dealer.
A year ago such a sight would not have been seen.
I wonder if there will be a “dump” of unsold cars to compete with all the unsold ones coming off leases and agreements now an 8.5 is in prospect?
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When I say “dump”, I mean the factory imposing unordered stock on dealers to clear. I suspect manufacturers are pretty merciless in this respect.
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P6, the main reason there’s lots of stock now compared to the last few years is parts availability, meaning the factories are working properly again now. There just weren’t any significant amount of cars coming through before the last quarter of last year. Now it’s parts clearout time. We’ve gone from a 2 year wait time to being unable to order a factory car but lots of physical or in transit cars which hopefully will match a customers spec give or take from the pool of cars available. Two years to two weeks wait time all of a sudden as of Q4 last year and Q1 this year.
The physical cars will sit at dealers until the 8.5 ordering goes live at which point VW historically seem to get dealers to pre-reg any sitting stock.
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Shambles basically how depressing for some of the folks on this forum to wait two years get their cars and now a new model is on the horizon. The faults of the MK8 will have a long lasting legacy and will / is affecting the prices now and the amount of cars in stock are also doing just that. Fully loaded MK8 R 73 plates bottom end of £40k, 20th editions R now below £40k. Who is going to buy a clubby now for mid £40k upwards you can take £10k off that straightaway as you drive it away from the dealers. If you look at the CAP market prices they have just dropped like a stone. Just try a MOTORWAY or we buy any car quote on the vehicles listed on autotrader and it’s quite shocking. I’ve sold my MK8 and now like others on this forum and thread looking for changes to a new sort of vehicle. It’s a shame in reality.
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How about one of these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6y7VdcOkxA
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How about one of these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6y7VdcOkxA
Might be a half decent proposition via salary sacrifice for those on 40% tax with a car allowance of some sort.
I have neither so will tough it out with a superseded Golf! 😁
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bV81x9K-50
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Open for ordering the tomorrow the 11th of April....
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Any idea about the GTI base price?
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/reinvented-volkswagen-golf-goes-sale-%C2%A327035
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Carbon fibre on a Golf GTI from the factory and an illuminated VW badge at the front - as if the light bar on the 8 wasn’t stupid enough
‘The GTI can also be ordered with carbonfibre exterior applications for the first time’. These prices are going to shock potential buyers imo
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Carbon fibre on a Golf GTI from the factory and an illuminated VW badge at the front - as if the light bar on the 8 wasn’t stupid enough
‘The GTI can also be ordered with carbonfibre exterior applications for the first time’. These prices are going to shock potential buyers imo
I think you’re right in terms of the price.
As for the facelift, I think it’s a little underwhelming, but then that’s VW’s typical approach to mid lifecycle facelifts. I dare say most people who aren’t Golf and / or GTI enthusiasts the wouldn’t even realise the mk8.5 is a refreshed, facelift model.
I’ve never been a fan of the light bar and IMHO the illuminated VW badge is a bit tacky and just a step too far.
Let’s just hope VW have ironed out the software gremlins that have plagued the mk8.
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The carbon fibre will save a vital few ounces, add in an Akrapovič and for £5k you’ll shave 0.0001 second off your 0-60!
Never been a fan of the light bar myself but at least with the badge illuminated you won’t have a dark gap at the front anymore. Any light has to be good light as far as being visible is concerned, shame the radar is now on show again though.
As for the software, don’t anyone kid themselves, aside from the Chat GPT add on module it’ll be basically the same gear as late mk8’s. Though thankfully the latter seem less prone to bugs and processors should be a little quicker in the FL car.
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Seeing as the new infotainment screen is basically the same screen that’s appearing in the new ID7, refreshed ID4 and the new Tiguan, we’ll get a fair idea soon enough if the newer hardware/software has less gremlins or not. My wife has a new ID4 coming soon so I’ll see for myself what this new infotainment is like. I fear it’ll make my MK8 feel old!
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Most of the Mk8 software bugs were not really infotainment ones (some were but not many), they were actually caused by the communication with the hundreds of different sensors and control units around the car.... or those components themselves.
For example... the SOS unit (which caused infotainment reboots or bongs or both), the V2X module which caused more bongs or the steering wheel which caused loads of bongs. All of those were faults in the modules themselves...
The only thing I can think of that was infotainment issues itself was one where the climate sync used to switch itself off.
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Carbon fibre on a Golf GTI from the factory and an illuminated VW badge at the front - as if the light bar on the 8 wasn’t stupid enough
‘The GTI can also be ordered with carbonfibre exterior applications for the first time’. These prices are going to shock potential buyers imo
I think you’re right in terms of the price.
As for the facelift, I think it’s a little underwhelming, but then that’s VW’s typical approach to mid lifecycle facelifts. I dare say most people who aren’t Golf and / or GTI enthusiasts the wouldn’t even realise the mk8.5 is a refreshed, facelift model.
I’ve never been a fan of the light bar and IMHO the illuminated VW badge is a bit tacky and just a step too far.
Let’s just hope VW have ironed out the software gremlins that have plagued the mk8.
Actually thought the MK 7 mid life cycle was beyond what would expect with the digital drivers display and vastly improved media units, and styling wise the change of lights and DRL were a major win for GTI, where the red stripes always looked a little awkward, but then really integrated brilliantly in the MK 7.5. The enhanced gloss black vents and trim over the MK 7 were good plusses also.
On the MK 8, its going to be interesting to see present MK 8 owners thoughts on the screens, I am personally pretty neutral having not dipped into MK 8, its not the worst screen seen in a car, at size and position looks ok, and it does have some styling with curves and bevels.
My interest lies whether it all just works without multiple glitches, as that would make a MK 8.5 an option down the line, where as kind of excluded the natural moving onto a MK 8 due to the issues, as much as know many have been sorted, just know I would still get a lemon used.
EDIT: Just specced Style up with Pan Roof, upgraded wheels, DCC and few other bits, and it was over £37k! Definitely going over £50k with few of the desirable options on GTI's and R's
Had conversation with colleague who like me has always gone company car route, and likes his cars, and is up for his cycle of change, and there is very little cars on there now, allowance for car has only minimally lifted, the car lease prices have taken huge jumps, removing most cars of worth off the list, you just do not see them, no GTI, R or anything of that like, and even vanilla cars are requiring uplift over allowance.
His other route is to take allowance and go down own path, but again, finance prices would mean he would have to add some quite significant £ to get something half decent and in June his mortgage jumps £500 so he has tried to extend his current lease without luck, and so it will be used car only as a replacement and we are talking, a profession, good middle income earner who would have with ease, and without hesitation be in market for an S3, GTI or R as his changeover.
Think its the finance deals that affect folk most in decision, how much paying a month, so even if car price was much higher, its still the money paying per month focus on, but higher car prices and high APR is making new untenable for many many more than previous.
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I think I must be getting too long in the tooth… the prospect of an above £50k Full Sticker Price for a Golf really is too much to swallow. Will wait to see how the Mk8.5 pans out in the real world for a good while before I consider changing my 19 plate R. Although unless there are some super deals from the likes of Drivethedeal and Motorfinity my R might be staying longer in our garage.
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I think I must be getting too long in the tooth… the prospect of an above £50k Full Sticker Price for a Golf really is too much to swallow. Will wait to see how the Mk8.5 pans out in the real world for a good while before I consider changing my 19 plate R. Although unless there are some super deals from the likes of Drivethedeal and Motorfinity my R might be staying longer in our garage.
I agree new car prices are mental atm 30k to change to something not even 10k better than what you have
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Just another example of inflation outstripping pay for too many years.
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I think I must be getting too long in the tooth… the prospect of an above £50k Full Sticker Price for a Golf really is too much to swallow. Will wait to see how the Mk8.5 pans out in the real world for a good while before I consider changing my 19 plate R. Although unless there are some super deals from the likes of Drivethedeal and Motorfinity my R might be staying longer in our garage.
After having performance golfs in a row there is no way I can see myself changing to another. The price increase in combination with the higher interest rates just makes it silly.
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The topic of mk8.5 pricing does create an interesting question. What does everyone think will happen to mk8 values? Traditionally you’d expect the pre facelift prices to drop when the facelift hits the market. But if it is the case the facelift pricing is outrageous, would the low mileage/ later build pre facelift examples actually hold money well as they could be viewed as a bit of a bargain?
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Going from historic Golf model changeovers the outgoing models often keep their values pretty well owing to the conservative nature of VW buyers and build times akin to continental drift.
After a few years of very strange market conditions whereby used cars went up in value and now have nosedived I wouldn’t want to gaze into my crystal ball right now @clarky.
My Clubby still booked at £30k last September and by mid-December had shed a further £8.5k at standard book prices. My current R at 3.5 months old will have lost £10k minimum and more likely £15k so hopefully won’t bomb too much further with the 8.5 launch :shocked: not that I have any plans to change even if I could remotely afford to (unless I decide to become “economically inactive” and buy an old sh!tter to run on a shoestring which is getting more tempting by the day)
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@Exonian I’ve been looking at Skoda Yeti 4x4s to run as a daily, now the prices are on the way down. Partly to minimise wear and tear on the clubby, and partly to reduce fuel costs. A trip to Scotland this week and my wallet is barren now, I’d forgotten how cheap Costco fuel is.
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Maybe some dodgy man maths at play there Doc as it’d take a lot of fuel to equate to the cost of a Yeti 😁 but I get your thinking, sometimes it’s nice to have a contrast of vehicles to use.
I do love the Yeti, good looking in a Dinky Toy sort of way and tough as a Tonka! (Showing my age there!)
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@Exonian I don’t know what you mean :whistle:
I’ve always quite liked them, and like you said they’re reliable as all hell. Boxy means they’re great for carrying stuff (can’t fit my handbike in a golf, fits in a yeti no bother), and unlike a caddy or a transporter, it has missus approval factor too. I just wish I’d never sold my old landy. Had a diesel defender that I only sold to fund a Legacy import a few years back. Not that I could drive it any more, but it’d more than pay for a Yeti now..
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The man maths is properly adding up now! Time to cash in the Legacy chips and go Yeti hunting methinks 🗻
:afro:
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Looks like Drivethedeal has the 8.5 now for ordering with 11-12% discount off list price.
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That's a higher percentage discount than I was expecting.
It won't be enough for me to place an order though. The 8.5 just isn't different enough from the Mk8. I can't pay more money for what is substantially the same car.
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Does anyone know when pricing for the 8.5 GTI will be announced? and when order books will open? Was expecting it to announced by now!
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Does anyone know when pricing for the 8.5 GTI will be announced? and when order books will open? Was expecting it to announced by now!
"Volkswagen says the eHybrid, GTI and GTE versions will join the range this summer"
July maybe? I don't expect to see the books open until end of August...
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VW to unveil a new GTI variant on 31st May
Clubsport? Clubsport ED50?
(https://i.postimg.cc/8cSgYJ4b/IMG-0940.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/62YP2QD7)
https://www.motor1.com/news/719515/new-volkswagen-golf-gti-variant/amp/
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Hi
Just taken my weekly look at German Volkswagen site. We are in luck.
https://www.volkswagen.de/de/konfigurator.html/__app/der-neue-golf-2024/sportliche-modelle/gti.app?---=%7B%22configuration-step-navigation-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FconfigStep%3D%257B%2522context%2522%253A%252230602-34427-GTI%2522%252C%2522selectedStep%2522%253A%2522exterior%2522%257D%22%2C%22filter-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FengineType%3DBenzin%22%7D&category-app=private&carlineId-app=30602&salesGroupId-app=34427&trimName-app=GTI&modelId-app=DA19ZZ%24GYOSYOS&modelVersion-app=6&modelYear-app=2024 (https://www.volkswagen.de/de/konfigurator.html/__app/der-neue-golf-2024/sportliche-modelle/gti.app?---=%7B%22configuration-step-navigation-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FconfigStep%3D%257B%2522context%2522%253A%252230602-34427-GTI%2522%252C%2522selectedStep%2522%253A%2522exterior%2522%257D%22%2C%22filter-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FengineType%3DBenzin%22%7D&category-app=private&carlineId-app=30602&salesGroupId-app=34427&trimName-app=GTI&modelId-app=DA19ZZ%24GYOSYOS&modelVersion-app=6&modelYear-app=2024)
Hopefully this link will take you straight to GTI configurator but remember this is German site, so this won’t be the UK spec car eg we always start at 18inch wheels and they are bound to include IQ Matrix lights.
So no need to tick every box and then rail at the price you get.
As a marker the pre facelift GTI in German started at 40905€ so it’s increased by approx 3500€
I know it’s been discussed before on here but seems to be heading for £42-44k starting price in UK.
As Fred has already mentioned, think UK orders etc will be July time
Enjoy
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Nice one Andy. I've had a brief play and already gone over 50k euros without really trying.
Hard to believe that you'll get a acceptable UK spec car for less than £47k-£48k.
I'll buy second-hand thanks!!
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Hmm interesting! Thanks for sharing.
Just spotted this article regarding pre-sales and starting price stated is 44,505 Euros which equates to just over £38k. So, I'm wondering if they will actually try to keep the base price below the £40k in the UK.
https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/press-releases/volkswagen-starts-pre-sales-of-the-new-more-powerful-golf-gti-18394
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Scrap that! Just noticed that Euros price is for a far more basic spec than the UK would get, I.E 17" wheels, no tints etc. Looks like we are looking at at least £42k then
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The German VW approach is to sell bare bones and let the buyer add what they like.
VW UK tend to make a much more fully spec'ed base item with a few optional extras.
The German one is really stripped down, probably a good 5-7k of items will be added to a UK base GTI.
Its definitely going to be north of the magic 40k RRP, making it even more expensive. No way can i see it coming along sub 40.
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Yes you are absolutely right Fred. its not going to be a sub-40K car at RRP.
Before the Mk8 disappeared, I wrote down the prices UK v Germany. Obviously, as already discussed the two spec are poles apart and UK getting a far more loaded car.
So just for interest here are the mk8 prices for performance golfs before they went off sale (Basic list price, not really worth a comparison but interesting)( but its interesting to see the difference basic currency conversions)
GTI
£39,815 v 40,095Euros
GTI Clubsport
£42,270 v 46,480Euros
R
£44,550 v 54,880Euros
So from my thinking basic UK GTI before options will be £42-44K if the German version is 44,550Euros
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I guess you guys have seen this about the Clubsport being revealed next week at the N24.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JE2ThDlfLM
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Saw Volks Wizard has done a video on buying an 8.5 or not.
I'm interested from the perspective of whether it will push 8 values down .
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Golf 8.5 Edition 50
https://www.tiktok.com/@lbpt92/video/7371835237644487968
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Golf 8.5 Edition 50
https://www.tiktok.com/@lbpt92/video/7371835237644487968
The wheels are terrible
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I'm interested from the perspective of whether it will push 8 values down .
Not too much more I hope, mine has already shed £15k in five months :shocked:
Supply of 8.5’s will probably be slow at first which will hopefully firm up values. There are hundreds of unregistered mk8’s around at the moment so used values will be dreadful. Unless values shore up not too many people will be able to afford to upgrade.
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Volkswagen Golf GTI Clubsport Confirmed As Most Powerful FWD Golf Ever, Debuts Next Week
https://carbuzz.com/volkswagen-golf-gti-clubsport-confirmed-as-most-powerful-fwd-golf-ever/
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Volkswagen Golf GTI Clubsport Confirmed As Most Powerful FWD Golf Ever, Debuts Next Week
https://carbuzz.com/volkswagen-golf-gti-clubsport-confirmed-as-most-powerful-fwd-golf-ever/
310PS making it the same as the pre opf mk7.5 R ?
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I'm interested from the perspective of whether it will push 8 values down .
Not too much more I hope, mine has already shed £15k in five months :shocked:
Ouch :shocked:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRyykysNTFU
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Andrew has a review up also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glYDXUv-mXc
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I'm interested from the perspective of whether it will push 8 values down .
Not too much more I hope, mine has already shed £15k in five months :shocked:
Supply of 8.5’s will probably be slow at first which will hopefully firm up values. There are hundreds of unregistered mk8’s around at the moment so used values will be dreadful. Unless values shore up not too many people will be able to afford to upgrade.
I am sure prices for the MK8 R will firm up again. It’s always the same when there’s a glut of new cars with discounts, but they will sell, the MK8.5 R will arrive with the iPad Pro attached to the dash and the 333PS engine from the 20years but it will be close to £50K with 19s, so our cars will be more desirable. The interior of the 8.5 is no different in terms of quality based on Volkwizard’s video, and I personally prefer the more integrated look of the MK8, so it’s a significant premium to pay for illuminated heater controls!
I remember residuals for the ED40 were terrible after 6 months of ownership, as there were so many unsold examples and look where they are now! I am still resisting the urge to sell mine 😊
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Keep the ED!!
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8.5 Clubsport unveiled. Power stays the same
(https://i.postimg.cc/PqTP7d7p/IMG-1092.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Bj7SLf44)
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Gloss black lower grille and side skirts? Thought they’d save that for the Ed50
Power remaining the same was almost a given, Cupra have announced their power outputs already for the FL Leon as 300PS for the hatch and 333 for the AWD estate.
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Ladies and Gentlemens, the new Golf 8.5 GTI Clubsport :)
https://www.facebook.com/reel/468063145602035
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That actually looks amazing!
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What I noticed is that they show all the demo cars with Black Style package (where you have darkened front optics), which looks really cool with the new more sharp headlights. Especially with colours like Kings Red or White.
You can see here as well - https://www.instagram.com/reel/C22qQqWIzG6/?igsh=MTUzdGJlcjdmazg0aA==
Looks so sleek.
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N24 this weekend - qualifying happening today and tomorrow.
The new Clubsport is running as #50.
Watch the live onboard - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWc4-zg7kDQ
(https://i.postimg.cc/0NYCtjfN/temp-Imageb-LQj-PX.avif) (https://postimg.cc/JyhJ01Sw)
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Ladies and Gentlemens, the new Golf 8.5 GTI Clubsport :)
https://www.facebook.com/reel/468063145602035
Link not working for me?
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Ladies and Gentlemens, the new Golf 8.5 GTI Clubsport :)
https://www.facebook.com/reel/468063145602035
Link not working for me?
haha, yes, it is now deleted and it's strange it last so long. Because there was an obvious embargo until 4:30 pm CET today.
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Golf 8.5 GTI Clubsport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJL-pqodaJA&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vwroc.com%2F&feature=emb_logo
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Golf 8.5 GTI Clubsport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJL-pqodaJA&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vwroc.com%2F&feature=emb_logo
Looks really good, thanks for posting the link. Love all the external black gloss.
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https://youtu.be/bpd8gpvOE-w?si=mJN0tt7oo7GlU1MP
I really like it. The gloss black treatment lifts things a lot, it should have been done like this on the MK8 too imo. The headlights while only subtley different, do look better imo, that awkward curve as it meets the grill has been straightened out! The bumper, intakes etc all look suitably more aggressive too.
I’m surprised the door stripe remains the same half assed effort though!
Then in the interior, it’s the same new infotainment that’s in the new Tiguan, ID4, Passat. And having experienced it for about a month now in my wife’s ID4 I can confirm it’s a joy to use compared to the MK8 system.
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The standard GTI is up on the Irish configurator. Few things to note:
- rear camera is standard.
- winter pack (heated front seats etc) is standard.
- the illuminated grill, VW badge, IQ lights etc are standard.
Then there is this “black pack”. There was a black pack on the MK8 too but it was pretty minimal. Black mirror caps and red stripe replaced with black. I think it was about €450. On the 8.5 it also includes darker headlamp housings. You can see it in those videos linked above. But it’s down as €1600 on the configurator here! Bit mad. Surely it must include something more than darker headlamp units and mirror caps… I wonder does it include a black roof (again as per those videos).
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The standard GTI is up on the Irish configurator. Few things to note:
- rear camera is standard.
- winter pack (heated front seats etc) is standard.
- the illuminated grill, VW badge, IQ lights etc are standard.
Then there is this “black pack”. There was a black pack on the MK8 too but it was pretty minimal. Black mirror caps and red stripe replaced with black. I think it was about €450. On the 8.5 it also includes darker headlamp housings. You can see it in those videos linked above. But it’s down as €1600 on the configurator here! Bit mad. Surely it must include something more than darker headlamp units and mirror caps… I wonder does it include a black roof (again as per those videos).
Black Pack has a descent look with new GTI. They show all the demo cars with a black pack for a reason :smiley: because the headlights look so much better being darkened. Adding black mirrors as well.
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It's got god awful wheels and looks odd from some of the front and front/side pictures. GTi badges look cheap and I know it's because of the plug in door but the ones on the door look ridiculous. Step back with the radar being in the grill too.
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I like most of the updates and options although the wheels as me Maddy says do nothing for me. Looks like trying to give mk6 wheels an update. The size of the infotainment screen seems overkill as well. You buy that size screen in Curry's. :grin:
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The upgrades are all welcome BUT it isn't really very different to the Mk8 Clubsport.
It's definitely a 0.5 upgrade and I'm disappointed overall.
I won't be paying to upgrade and will be looking at other marques when I replace my Mk8 Clubby.
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Should of just left the badges off the doors and saved a few penny's.
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Love that they improved the steering for both GTI & Clubsport.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HxVk9bks/temp-Image-WQw24r.avif) (https://postimg.cc/JDC81DX9)
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Typical VW fluff about the steering. Its had a rework for cyber security (because otherwise they'd be in trouble) and now is better in an unmeasurable way.
Still at least its a press release.
I'm just wondering how VW (and others) are going to dig themselves out of the chasm that is BEV sales and shifting government dates for end of ICE...
They are in a hole that could actually end them...
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Should of just left the badges off the doors and saved a few penny's.
Awful they look! Proper halfords mod.
Should of kept mk8 badges or left them off as said.
They look sh!t!
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Not a problem. They can be removed in 10 mins with a hairdryer and a credit card if you don't like them.
That would be the first thing I'd do if I bought a Mk8.5
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The positioning of the front door badges does look strange IMHO. I read that they were repositioned there as it wasn’t possible for the GTE to have front wing mounted badges because of the electric charging flap on the near side front wing. Moving the GTI badges to the front doors means there’s consistency of badge placement with the GTE - presumably the mk8.5 R will also have door mounted badges?
I seem to remember when the mk8 was launched there was the same dislike with VW’s repositioning of the GTI tailgate badge compared to the bottom left placement on previous models. I don’t think I’ve seen any mk8 GTI’s where owners have either removed or repositioned the tailgate badge to the traditional bottom left corner position though. Presumably owners just get used to the different badge placement position and grow to accept it over time.
As @BillSan has said, if owners don’t like the door mounted badges they can easily be removed.
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Twas the same with the Mk8 GTE, they just left the wing badges off.
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Volkswizard has an honest review on YT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2nkeLffPNM
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Volkswizard has an honest review on YT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2nkeLffPNM
He doesn't really tell you much but at the moment nobody can...
It looks pretty good but the price will be too rich for me even if I wanted one. It's got ridiculous.
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Go on the Vw Ireland website and build yourself a Gti, The price on there was shocking
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Go on the Vw Ireland website and build yourself a Gti, The price on there was shocking
Just done that. Price of a GTI with no options is €57,750 / £49,126. Choosing an optional paint colour (Kings Red) and 19” Queenstown alloys + DCC pushes the price up to €61,143 / £52,013. Plundering the options list and I managed to get up to around €70,000! (just under £60,000) :shocked:. That’s crazy stupid money for a Golf.
I’ve not owned a Golf since my mk6 in 2011-2016 and at those prices I won’t be buying a mk8.5 any time soon.
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Yep , I specced one with nice paint , wheels, and the options i have on mine now and was 63k euros..... Will be interesting to see price lists here
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Believe it or not, it’s actually slightly cheaper than the outgoing car! :laugh:
And it has some kit as standard now that was previously optional - camera and winter pack. So… good value then, eh…
The MK8 Clubsport was around €4,800 more than the standard car, so assuming it’s similar for the new one, then it’s likely to start at about 63k and easily touching €70k when you tick a few essentials. I expect those dreadful 18’s will still be the standard wheel and it looks like you need to spec DCC with 19’s. So that’s easily another 2k+ for that combo alone.
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Believe it or not, it’s actually slightly cheaper than the outgoing car! :laugh:
And it has some kit as standard now that was previously optional - camera and winter pack. So… good value then, eh…
The MK8 Clubsport was around €4,800 more than the standard car, so assuming it’s similar for the new one, then it’s likely to start at about 63k and easily touching €70k when you tick a few essentials. I expect those dreadful 18’s will still be the standard wheel and it looks like you need to spec DCC with 19’s. So that’s easily another 2k+ for that combo alone.
It begs the question what a mk8.5 R will cost when a few ‘essential’ options are added :shocked: :whistle:.
As for the price of a fully loaded mk8.5 R, I dread to think what that might cost.
I seem to remember reading that VW have recently moved to the agency model - initially for EV’s but presumably ICE cars will follow. That’ll mean the only price reduction available against the list price of a new VW will be the PCP finance deposit contribution.
I hope VW UK have been realistic with their future sales projections………………
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Remember Ireland has some crazy taxes on "pollution"...
I'd expect a base UK clubby to be 45k rrp...R probably 47k
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There’s a lot I like in Ireland. The rates of VAT and Vehicle Registaration taxes not so much. The latter much jigher than in UK. Please bear this in mind when using the VW Ire Configurator.
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Our VRT in Ireland is insane alright so don’t panic on the prices - will be cheaper in UK, although I’d expect some increase.
Our VRT was ‘designed’ to discourage ICE cars and make v attractive but our EV sales are now declining If you think the GTI is bad I changed to an R last year here and it set me back €93k!
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Here’s a video review I found of a pre release camo wrapped 8.5 R, interestingly the guy states that the touch steering wheel buttons are to remain on the 8.5 R, however I wonder if it’s just a case of this pre release having an older wheel fitted, due to it being some sort of mule??
https://youtu.be/KhQkFbNaBWk?si=7b5O84E-b3ttBf1x
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I’ve seen at least a couple other mentions that R models of various cars not just Golfs will keep the pads not revert to buttons. Autogefühl’s Thomas mentioned it too in a recent model release vid.
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Is it me or has the price of the GTI actually gone down with the 8.5?
It's confirmed to start at £38,900. I think by current standards and what we were expecting that is a great price, especially once discounts kick-in on Drive the Deal. I actually just bought a used 7.5 a couple of months ago, as I was sure this would be starting at over £40k. Doh!!!
https://www.motortrader.com/motor-trader-news/automotive-news/sporty-gti-ehybrid-versions-vw-golf-available-month-18-06-2024
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-refreshed-volkswagen-golf-gti-is-one-pricey-cookie-in-the-united-kingdom-235543.html
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Hi @jon87
Yes you are dead right. It gone down from about £39.500 to £38,900
Also I note on the press release it says heated front seats and rear camera are standard. (but then I fancy 360 camera now, so that would be £325, I think.
It gives a bit more room to play with to nip under £40,000 tax limit
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I'm trying to think of all of the bits you could option on the Mk8:
HK
Coloured paint
Wheels
HUD
Winter pack 1 (heated front seats) or pack 2 (rear heated seats)
DCC
Some other extra safety thing (think I've got that)
Spare wheel
Reversing camera
NavPro (which gave you literally nothing in the UK!)
So for the 8.5 it will be (price guesses)
HK - 1k
Colour - 500-1k
Wheels - 500-1k
HUD - 300
Winter Pack 2 - 300
Extra safety thing - 300
Spare Wheel - 200
360 camera - 300
You've got 1099 to play with to sneak under 40k.... my guess is a lot of (cheap) colour choice + 360 camera cars going to be ordered!
BTW my mk8 with all of the extras was £37k RRP... so not too bad inflation really on the Mk8.5 ironically
Oh and also, what does this mean for clubby base price?
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I'm trying to think of all of the bits you could option on the Mk8:
HK
Coloured paint
Wheels
HUD
Winter pack 1 (heated front seats) or pack 2 (rear heated seats)
DCC
Some other extra safety thing (think I've got that)
Spare wheel
Reversing camera
NavPro (which gave you literally nothing in the UK!)
So for the 8.5 it will be (price guesses)
HK - 1k
Colour - 500-1k
Wheels - 500-1k
HUD - 300
Winter Pack 2 - 300
Extra safety thing - 300
Spare Wheel - 200
360 camera - 300
You've got 1099 to play with to sneak under 40k.... my guess is a lot of (cheap) colour choice + 360 camera cars going to be ordered!
BTW my mk8 with all of the extras was £37k RRP... so not too bad inflation really on the Mk8.5 ironically
Oh and also, what does this mean for clubby base price?
I played this game with the R that I ordered it failed as it took two years to get delivered and rose in price putting it well into the 40k bracket regardless. It’s the price the day before registration that counts not the ordered price.
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Absolutely right ajmoir36, you’ve got to factor in at least a couple price increases with VW’s usual long build times.
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I'm trying to think of all of the bits you could option on the Mk8:
HK
Coloured paint
Wheels
HUD
Winter pack 1 (heated front seats) or pack 2 (rear heated seats)
DCC
Some other extra safety thing (think I've got that)
Spare wheel
Reversing camera
NavPro (which gave you literally nothing in the UK!)
So for the 8.5 it will be (price guesses)
HK - 1k
Colour - 500-1k
Wheels - 500-1k
HUD - 300
Winter Pack 2 - 300
Extra safety thing - 300
Spare Wheel - 200
360 camera - 300
You've got 1099 to play with to sneak under 40k.... my guess is a lot of (cheap) colour choice + 360 camera cars going to be ordered!
BTW my mk8 with all of the extras was £37k RRP... so not too bad inflation really on the Mk8.5 ironically
Oh and also, what does this mean for clubby base price?
It’s better than that, as I understand it, it’s £38900 OTR. Therefore you’d have about £2,200 to play with to take it up to £40k limit.
Trouble is, as @ajmoir36 and @Exonian have said, VW never built then very speedily and the price rises will then screw you over after all that minute planning.
It’s a nice idea but risky. Anyway, even £2200 might not be enough to get the spec you really want (or the one that is in my head)
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And presumably you can expect price rises twice a year and each time it will be at least 5%....and 5% on 38k (just a rough figure) is £1900....
Definitely some scope here for a nasty shock.
Probably your best bet if you want one imminently would be to buy from the initial dealer stock which will arrive in September (my guess)
Obviously these are pre-built cars but there will be a range of specs to choose from (like I did!)
Of course it might not be exactly the spec you wanted but at least you could guarantee the sub 40k price!
On the flip side, you'd be buying (like me) the first production vehicles... with all of the fun VW have with that. Although maybe just a facelift might not be so risky (my 7.5 was literally first off the run too)
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I am personally hoping the MK 8.5 will finally push down the prices for the performance MK 7.5 which are remaining stubbornly high and with some at top end even merging with early MK 8 GTI, R and Clubsport.
So hoping those in MK 7.5 who have been waiting on facelift will over the next 12 months start trading in and push down the used car prices, by a few thousand.
I will be looking for as late plate and lowest mileage MK 7.5 Performance in that timeframe, and expect to pay the top of the prices, but just be nice if that top price has another few thousand push down by the MK 8.5 release.
Quite like all that seen of the MK 8.5, Clubsport and R would interest, and will be watching its reliability closely over next 3 years, as imagine it will eventually replace one of our then 2 x MK 7.5 and agree fredgroves guidance, prices will definitely rise and so get your sub 40k car early!
You cannot imagine Labour raising that threshold, more likely to reduce it so if have hope the £40k should by logic go up at some point due to that baseline being in existence when these cars were starting out £10k less, forget that, car owners will still have target on back for easy money.
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I, on the other hand, am personally hoping the Mk8.5 will NOT push down prices of the 7.5 for obvious reasons! :evil:
Reassuring to hear they remain stubbornly high :smiley:
I’m joking of course, we will all have different circumstances and plans. My plan is to keep mine for at least another two years.
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I, on the other hand, am personally hoping the Mk8.5 will NOT push down prices of the 7.5 for obvious reasons! :evil:
Reassuring to hear they remain stubbornly high :smiley:
I’m joking of course, we will all have different circumstances and plans. My plan is to keep mine for at least another two years.
yes, get that! but actually think there is a difference between buying and selling privately.
I am really referring to VW Approved, where the prices remain quite high, £25k + for the best low mileage MK 7.5 R and GTI's but you do get the warranty, which for me is worth the extra outlay. I would like that to get down to the £22K mark in about 12 months.
Bought wife a MK 7.5 Golf R last September, well specced, low mileage, for just short of £25k VW Approved (Did actually get an above average figure on our exchange, so our cost for change made it a better deal overall than anywhere elsewhere)
I doubt could get more than £20k privately now, and likely £18-19K in exchange.
Think the private sale value will not be overly affected as its always more attractive than forecourt, if willing to take the risks, but imagine trade in and selling via Motorway and WBAC would take a hit if the MK 8.5 brought more MK 7.5 to market as exchanges (those who have held on the MK 8 and are more ready now)
But if you want to buy a decent, relatively low mileage Golf R or GTI on VW approved, you will still see an asking price we paid in September, and if you look on Autotrader, you can get early MK 8 R and Clubsport for same prices as late MK 7.5
Personally think its testament to how good a car the MK 7.5 is, I missed my GTI TCR so much, that went and bought that MK 7.5 Golf R just to have one back in the family again while see the company lease out on this BMW 128Ti, and when that ends in 15 months, will be getting a MK 7.5 of my own, as cannot trust getting a MK 8 lemon, and MK 8.5 will be out of my price band for at least 3 years.
Reason state out of my price band, is turning my back on lease and finance, its way too expensive now, now market has normalised, there too much depreciation on finance, and so it will be 3-5 year used for cash from herein for me.
Do buy cars expecting to lose money, but not prepared to take the biggest part of that curve from new.
Definitely see me in a MK 8.5 in 3-4 years time, probably a fully specced R or Clubsport to see me through next 3-4 years.
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If you are buying VW Approved, why would a Mk 8 be potentially a lemon but not a late 7.5?
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Going slightly off topic…and I hope Mk8 forum members will forgive this cheeky interloper, like many of our forum pals I still idly speculate what I would buy next.
So after 4 GTIs, two of them from new, I would buy “used approved” next time. And to ring the changes it would be a 1 owner, low mileage late 7.5 R or a similar 135M.
Why? I’ve never owned awd and 250 plus so that would be sufficient difference to justify a change.
But I’m bloody determined to stay under the 40k VED cliff- edge as a matter of principal.
And, I’ve just turned 73. What’s that about your only as old as the car you’re with? 😂😂😂
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Bloody predictive messes with my grammar….again!
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If you are buying VW Approved, why would a Mk 8 be potentially a lemon but not a late 7.5?
Because have had GTD (63 plate) Golf R (66 plate) GTI TCR (69 Plate) and presently have Golf R (19 Plate) and not one of them has had a problem, only visit to VW was for servicing. Completely understand the MK 7.5 have and planning to buy can still have issues but it’s a proven model on reliability, especially based on own experience.
The MK8 however has well recorded software/hardware issues and even though a MK 8 would be protected under approved, if it was a software lemon 🍋 with multiple warning errors, some requiring interventions, I still do not want to spend my time going back and forth to VW as many have done in their ownership, and have driving experience tainted by having to do such things.
Of course, I could pick up a perfectly stable and reliable MK 8 but it’s not risk willing to take.
So going to go with what know and love and come back to the MK 8.5 after seeing if all issues have been eradicated and when in my budget 3-4 years from now. Really like the look of MK 8 series, and can see a 8.5 ClubSport or the R in ownership it’s simply the software issues that have me passing.
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Ok, I figured you were referring to the software though as you say would (should?) be covered by the warranty. But I can understand you not wanting to do the hokey cokey with your dealer 😁.
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Ok, I figured you were referring to the software though as you say would (should?) be covered by the warranty. But I can understand you not wanting to do the hokey cokey with your dealer 😁.
But would software issues be covered under VW’s Approved Used warranty? The warranty essentially covers replacement of parts / components that have suffered sudden electrical or mechanical failure, and there’s the usual exclusions and conditions that you get in an insurance based car warranty product. A quick scan read through the warranty booklet and I can’t see that software issues are covered, although it’s quite possible there’s something in the small print that I missed.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/idhub/content/dam/onehub_pkw/importers/gb/downloads/brochures/used-cars/approved-used-benefits/Used_Car_Warranty_Booklet.pdf
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Ok, I figured you were referring to the software though as you say would (should?) be covered by the warranty. But I can understand you not wanting to do the hokey cokey with your dealer 😁.
Exactly that, know many play it down as they are in it and have no choice, but they were not prewarned, they have had to adjust to the multiple notifications and subsequent VW visits for hardware replacements and awaiting of SW updates.
I am prewarned, and definitely do not want to walk into the same experience.
Just configured the new MK 8.5 GTI, really like its BHP increase, my 128ti has 265BHP and its more than quick enough, and really like its paint and wheel options, going to be some nice looking and well specced used GTI out there in 3-4 years times.
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VW UK Configurator available now to spec your perfect Mk8.5 GTI.
Happy fiddling.
Apologies to All for the duplication
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Just configured it. I would be happy with the base spec which comes with a lot of standard equipment + Dolphin Grey paint. That also keeps it below the £40k mark.
Whilst I'm really enjoying the 7.5 GTI I purchased a couple of months ago, I'm actually regretting it now as the 8.5 seems a great deal and the 7.5 prices were pretty high! I'll have to wait a couple of years now as don't want to take a hit on the 7.5 already.
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Some surprise shockers in the configurator.... see the other thread!